I don't know about random statics but giving some existing wormholes duel statics would give people a reason to fight over systems.

Not that I dislike the idea, but removing the "warp to" requirement wouldn't stop safe farming. They'd just crit their holes.

The problem I always had with WH PVP was the fact it's virtually impossible to get a fight out of people that aren't online. WH inhabitants seem to never, ever, ever be online. I think this is an artifact of the timezone I fly in and the fact that all the content in a WH tends to be done before the later TZ people log in.

So, what I'd like to see is content that spreads itself out over the day. This would mean it's worthwhile for a EU TZ corp in a low class WH to have some AUS TZ people online. :)

-Liang

Ed: Yes, you can knock over a POS to force a if that's your thing. But that seems awfully heavy handed.

For better or worse, it would kill 'hardcoreness' of c5s and c6s, with regard to logistics. Need pos fuel? Roll static 2 till you get a hs. Invade someone? Roll static 2 all night bringing 3 caps at a time in all the lows and nulls you run across.

Instead of leaving the hole untouched, we'd crit it and leave a scout on it. Still untouchable; wouldn't fix the problem.


Svo.

I don't object to the fact that there's fewer people in my timezone. I'm objecting to the fact that by the time we log on there's literally no content at all in WH space. That's a design problem, not a player problem.

-Liang

Ed: That is to say, people will never move to WH space as long as all the content is completed for the day by the time they log in. I'm asking for the content to be delivered a bit more slowly and throughout the day.

Will you two clowns ******* pay attention here? My point is that content has frequently been burned through by folks in earlier TZs, and this provides a very substantial barrier to people from later TZs getting into WH space. No people = no conflict.

Or are we not trying to discuss ways to get more conflict in WH space?

-Liang

TL;DR (1) Liang may have a point. It wasn't what I first thought, could have been phrased better and is actually interesting. (2) OP focuses on making W-Space unfriendly to farmers. Perhaps another option is making is more friendly to roaming. But how to do this without breaking W-Space?

Ultimately I'm pretty sceptical that you could 'fix' these features of W-Space without ruining a great deal of what makes it different and exciting. (Why shouldn't there be a kind of space for the cloaky gankers?) So my only point is that I'm not convinced of the underlying assumption that a lack of 'conflict' comes from a low probability of encounters. Sorry I don't have something more constructive, but maybe someone else does.

If they're 5 guys online in a C2 -> C4 with no Orca pilots then putting 2 holes crit with BS or smaller takes more than 3 minutes. How much extra work is really beside the point though. Any amount of additional work for anyone doing anything is stupid if it doesn't also have the effect of increasing the thing you want.

More connections will make W-space FEEL smaller, just like roads/railroads/airplanes make RL feel smaller.

Fixing POS issues will allow those tiny corporations to grow. When that 10-man corp that was afraid of your 75-man corp grows to 40, they might very well be willing to engage (not knowing for sure if you have 20 or 60 online to fight their 30 online).

I'm curious how you continue to make the claim that it doesn't change the balance of the game at all. That's patently false - it does change the balance of the game. It potentially increases interaction (provided everyone is in the same timezone) and makes it far easier for the C5/C6 guys to roll a 20-30 man T3 fleet into someone's C2 home.

I just don't see that being a good thing. You guys see the same people over and over because they're the only people that can realistically fight you regularly.

-Liang

I specifically discounted timezones in that post, and still you QQ about it. Stop, and read the damn post.

-Liang

Once you start talking about throwing T3 blobs and capitals around, you've left the realm of anything that's reasonably experienced in low class wormholes. The interactions between C1-C3 and C5-C6 are just flat different. It's almost like they're not even the same kind of space - and in a very real sense that's true.

Again, I'm all for increasing good interaction but I'd be hard pressed to say a C2 connected to a C6 is a good interaction for anyone but the marauding C6 gank party. What would you say to splitting your idea into two classes of WHs: C1-C3 roving statics and C4-C6 roving statics?

-Liang

Ed: Also, a C2 with statics pointing at low sec / null sec / C2 would probably be my favorite WH ever.

I just want to be clear: you mention in the OP that we wouldn't have to scan these down. Are you referring to that in the sense that I don't scan down incoming statics (good) or that it's a WH that appears on the overview like a gate (bad)?

-Liang

Don't be stupid, please. Everybody who lives in a WH does some kind of WH "farming" even your corp. If it gets to the point where people cant make any ISK in WH's they will move out, decreasing WH population and having the exact opposite effect that you claim to desire. If people have too many incoming connections or cannot secure their WH for their chosen ISK making time (especially the small WH corps) they will stop mining, stop running sites, run out of money to build ships, get bored, and eventually move out. And lets get one thing straight for everybody, killing mining ships, scanners, PvE fit ships, and transports isn't PvP, its ganking. Yea I do it like everybody else but lets call it what it is and it is certainly not a challenge. So, your proposals would 1. Increase ganks (hats off to your mad PvP skills) 2. Decrease WH population most likely. What will be your fix when you have to whine about even less people to gank or fight than you have now?

Please do enlighten us uninformed on your definintion of relatively rare. Does that mean one a week, one a day, one an hour, or in the case of some WH's like mine no less than two a day. Of course ive no doubt that you have done extensive studies of this across all WH's in the game, otherwise you would just be another talking head who applies what happens into their WH to all WH's.

:)
I am not talking about random K162s spawning once per week, iam talking about intentional chain collapsing by a big fleet, just as we do on the weekends you know.
Roll the static so long during the weekends that you find something to pew. It takes only a few minutes to drop a fleet on someone and who of us has a core probe out 24/7 scanning every minute for new sigs?

I support the idea of a second random static. To be completely honest I think there would be way more pvp in W-Space if all wormholes had a highsec static, but that's another discussion altogether.

I've said this in our own forums, but I can say it here as well. I think W-Space pvp would have been way more interesting if we couldn't move in or build Carriers and Dreads in W-Space. Probably not a popular idea with most of you guys, and there are obvious pains related to POS'es and structure grind here, but still...one can dream.

Another idea I would find interesting would be if wormhole connections simply "appeared" as a warpable object in my overview, without the need of scanning them down. I wouldn't change any other mechanic (mass restrictions, the need to scan down pve sites, timers etc). It would be incredible interesting to just roll the static, and go out into the great unknown on a roam. Again...one can dream =)